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My encounters with KEF have been somewhat positive. Really neutral from what I remember like a good set of Dyns maybe? They didn't really have any personality traits if memory serves but I think that's what I'm wanting at this point in time. Just a good overall reference sound.
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Oh my Lord what did I just do?
https://www.crutchfield.com/p_970DF5...-2-0-F5-2.html
My brain was melting from reading so many reviews and I knew I wanted a true tower for the bigger sound they give. And in my heart I knew I wanted to crack open a virgin pair of speakers. Whether you agree with my choice or not I'm the one that's taking the leap of faith. I think they'll be just fine in here on 160 watts at piece at 6 ohms. I read enough reviews that jived with each other to feel confident they have will have a tonal signature that pleases me. With a sub in due time I should be golden.
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The guy selling the KEF speakers I mentioned also has a pair of Zu Omen Dirty Weekends that interested me until I researched their sonic characteristics in depth. Wish I coulda experienced those at his house to be honest.
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Sometimes...it's just great to be done with it :) I'd be curious how they would sound compared to my Amiga, as in the end I spent a little more than that per tower, when you factor in floor spikes and vinyl wrap.
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jrwalte
Sometimes...it's just great to be done with it :) I'd be curious how they would sound compared to my Amiga, as in the end I spent a little more than that per tower, when you factor in floor spikes and vinyl wrap.
Man no kidding on being done with it. The Elac Debut seems to be one of the true bang for the buck lines of speakers with glowing reviews to back it up. What sold me on them was an independent reviewer saying they were forgiving with digital recordings and had strong male vocals. ALL my stuff is in digital format and on flash drives. LOVE how easy it is to navigate flash drives with the Denon;)Also REALLY wanted a dedicated midrange because just about every system I've heard (car and home) that's truly impressed me had a dedicated midrange. The Elac 5.2 and 6.2 both have one of those three matching woofers as a midrange only with the other two playing midbass duty. I know there are lots of GREAT speakers that are 2-way with woofer and tweeter but I bet most of those great designs also have better driver and crossover design driving the price way up. On the forgiving comment I just didn't want to be disappointed because something was too revealing causing my sketchy non-audiophile music to sound like butt. Why have true audiophile grade stuff if you don't plan on feeding it true audiophile material?:laugh:
I do plan on going diy with the sub because I have a sub here that I knew from day one belonged in a good home setup and just about every powered sub I've seen in my price range doesn't really look that impressive. Would rather get a big dsp plate amp and put this IDQ12v4 in a big sealed box.
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https://www.parts-express.com/dayton...-kit--300-7160
A downfiring design with a plate amp similar to above but made larger for a 12" sub.
https://www.parts-express.com/b-52-a...000w--299-2336
Buyout priced !
https://www.acehardware.com/departme...-hangers/88758
4 of these ( feet ) and an 8 ft x 4 ft sheet of wood .
Cut 6 pieces , cut a mounting hole and plate amp mounting hole , get a terminal cup , done !
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If I'm gonna buy an amp for the subwoofer I'm gonna do it right. Acoustical phasing can be a bitch that only GOOD processing can fix. Funny thing is the big spending audiophiles have an aversion to dsp from what I've seen. They'd rather tune their system with different amps and cables because dsp wrecks more than it fixes:lmao:Yes I know phase can be effected with dsp if you don't know what you're doing or what to listen for.
https://www.parts-express.com/minids...ifier--230-330
And the sub I plan on using I already own and will be putting in a properly sized sealed box and putting 600rms on it at 8 ohms. And will be forward firing it.
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Switch and you are able to turn it on or off ?
https://www.allelectronics.com/item/...ch-spst/1.html
Mounting vertically to fire horizontally w3rks.
You seem to have it sewed up .
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Did you grab the KEF's Chris?
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chefhow
Did you grab the KEF's Chris?
Nope. Decided I really wanted a true tower and couldn't pass up the Elac Debut 2.0 f5.2's I got. Came in today and burning them in now. Just watched TV through them so far but sounding pretty good. Crutchfield sent them 2 day air for "free" shipping. UPS driver was running for his life when he saw the two dogs and his next stop was my neighbors house who has an ankle biter that's way more dangerous than the ones he encountered here:lmao:
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Nice !
https://www.rohone.com/floorstanding...t--each--black
These ones ? Silk dome tweeter w/wide dispersion waveguide and 5.25" mid , woven fibre mids 2 per tower . 42 hz to 35,000 hz .
Powered sub will round out first octave - 20 hz - 40 hz.
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Awesome. If those KEF's are still for sale I'd be interested if shipping isnt too expensive.
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That's the one. Can't see how they can sell them that cheap but whatever.
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I figured you go for these
https://www.accessories4less.com/mak...specifications
They are very appealing !
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Not enough info on those in English for me to take the chance. Everyone seems to love the Elac's. Really wanted the Wharfedale Diamond 230's at about the same price but they sold out and are discontinued. I can already tell that these Elac towers are more phase coherent than my old Cerwin Vega's and sound cleaner and faster too.
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Ive heard great things about Canton home drivers. I REALLY want a set of the KEF Q900's but know i shouldn't pull the trigger on them.
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Do eet Chefhow ! YOLO
Faster response , Hillbilly ?
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Anyone who knows anything knows what I mean by saying a speaker is "faster". A bad design will lag causing it to sound muddy/blurry/distorted.
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Gotcha , HillbillySQ
Yeah, Cerwin Vegas may have sold for too much money !
You are all set now , though , with ELAC's
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Back in the day Cerwin Vega had its place for me because my needs were different. The ones I have are still great at getting loud as hell and would be great as mains in a full HT setup. They just aren't hifi enough for a reference setup.
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Wharfedales are studio monitors ?
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Hillbilly SQ
Anyone who knows anything knows what I mean by saying a speaker is "faster". A bad design will lag causing it to sound muddy/blurry/distorted.
I forget the name exactly... but a time domain waterfall plot shows the impulse response.
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Erin uses waterfall plots and REW graphs , even a "Klippel" ( better than T/S parameters , as it tests the speakers with power being put to them )
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Queef sent me a pm last night basically telling me the Elac's I bought were piles of crap compared to his Jantzen's. Well these sound good to me as well as countless other pairs of picky ears so Andrew Jones must know wtf he's doing. Probably should have mentioned this but y'all need to know what kind of person he truly is.
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He is ???
Blowing a months salary on towers ?
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LOL at $420 plus tax being a months salary. I made more than that in OT alone over the past few weeks:lmao:
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Elac's are probably the safest thing going in the budget category. Andrew Jones is a legend in speaker design. Regardless of that I'm not sure why anyone would criticize someone spending a few hundred bucks for home speakers.
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Elac's are probably the safest thing going in the budget category. Andrew Jones is a legend in speaker design. Regardless of that I'm not sure why anyone would criticize someone spending a few hundred bucks for home speakers.
Queef is hell bent on trolling me since the rearfill fiasco where he lost his shit after I said I had no plans on trying it in my truck at this time. He also thinks I have an unused processor that will do time alignment in a Jeep but not in a Ram:rolleyes:Also something about him thinking Al made a mistake putting that badass 18" in his truck instead of a pair of 12's.
My research showed the Elac debut to be my safest bet without spending a fortune so I bit and glad I did. If the woofers and tweets in these things are turds Andrew did a great job polishing them:woohoo:I'm going to diy the sub with a good plate amp since I have an IDQ here that I love and want to put back in service but can see myself getting a center, sides, and rears from the debut 2.0 series within the next year. That's when the line goes on sale again;)
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Hillbilly SQ
Queef is hell bent on trolling me since the rearfill fiasco where he lost his shit after I said I had no plans on trying it in my truck at this time. He also thinks I have an unused processor that will do time alignment in a Jeep but not in a Ram:rolleyes:Also something about him thinking Al made a mistake putting that badass 18" in his truck instead of a pair of 12's.
My research showed the Elac debut to be my safest bet without spending a fortune so I bit and glad I did. If the woofers and tweets in these things are turds Andrew did a great job polishing them:woohoo:I'm going to diy the sub with a good plate amp since I have an IDQ here that I love and want to put back in service but can see myself getting a center, sides, and rears from the debut 2.0 series within the next year. That's when the line goes on sale again;)
Yep. You can't go wrong with someone of Andrew Jones reputation and history. I always wondered how the Elac's sound.
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Yep. You can't go wrong with someone of Andrew Jones reputation and history. I always wondered how the Elac's sound.
The ones I got are really easy to listen to and pretty detailed too. I did run the Audyssey in the Denon and it made a pretty big difference as far as room correction goes. Top end is smooth and transients are fast. Just using the internal amp in the Denon that I think does 160rms on each at 6 ohms. Could be TOTALLY wrong there since I'm going by memory. I'm pretty happy with the sound and like I said just need to get the sub project done this Spring. I honestly wonder how the Andrew Jones Pioneer towers that seem similar for less than half the price compare. I heard he had better transducers to work with in the Elac Debut stuff but figure the general idea should be similar.
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My only experience with ELAC is that I ordered a set of their UB5's a few years back. I was interested namely in the coincident driver because Andrew Jones was/is known for his coincident driver designs with both Kef and the Pioneer TAD line. I got them in and one of the mids had a dented cone and also had a 'discolored' cone. Apparently there was a bad batch made in their initial runs and I got hosed. I sent them back and decided to wait them out but never got another pair again. That said, I've read a lot of good things about ELAC products since then; namely their price vs performance.
Chris, you might want to take a look at this link and see what this guy did to play with the tweeter response. These are the bookshelf version but the same ideas may be beneficial/useful to you.
http://noaudiophile.com/ELAC_B5-2/
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Thanks Erin. Yeah while I feel the top end is pretty smooth I do feel that tweeter could be tamed a little. Letting them "burn in" for a while to see if it helps the response or if I just get used to them, lol. Sucks you got hosed on the concentrics. I hear those are pretty nice speakers.
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I apologize HillbillySQ , it's that time of the month for me . I'm still upset by the election .
https://www.rohone.com/floorstanding...t--each--black
Why not buy these and return them to where you got the other ones and take leftover money and do sub or surrounds ?
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Maybe because some of us don't care to buy from a Chinese company and they could potentially be knock off or built with sub-par components.
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Maybe because some of us don't care to buy from a Chinese company and they could potentially be knock off or built with sub-par components.
If you decide to use "Elac" get the handmade ones .
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you don't get it. Items sold in the USA will have a standard to be met that the US company would expect and have the China factory adhere to. That same item sold in China won't necessarily be the same product, even if it is from the same company and not a knock off.