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Re: gubment shuts down and Obamacare opens up
Obama will not blink until his poll numbers tank, right now he's winning the PR battle (with the help of the press). You guys got to remember, the progressives have been pushing for national healthcare for like 80 years now. They finally got it passed by trickery, smoke and mirrors and NO real democrat will ever vote to get rid of it. They would rather literally destroy this country and it's economy before even thinking about it.
Obama will not blink until his poll numbers tank, right now he's winning the PR battle (with the help of the press). You guys got to remember, the progressives have been pushing for national healthcare for like 80 years now. They finally got it passed by trickery, smoke and mirrors and NO real democrat will ever vote to get rid of it. They would rather literally destroy this country and it's economy before even thinking about it.
Re: gubment shuts down and Obamacare opens up
personally, I believe the republicans are wrong to shut down the government over this issue, because people can vote out the president in a couple of years, the entire Congress in a few years, and if this legislation is as dire as everyone says it is then we'd be hard pressed not to hold our elected officials responsible and end their reign of stupid at the taxpayer's expense.
let's see how bad the new entitlement makes health care, and the costs associated with, then we can work with real numbers. I understand that the mainstream media will never use real numbers though, as they cherry pick their statistics to serve the sheeple, no shame in their deception at all.
but some of the fallout from the inclusion of the ACA will be tangible, and the population will get a chance to say if insuring 15 million people who couldn't afford it before, was worth a 25% increase across the board for everyone else's sniffles and wheezes.
I don't know about other people but raising the average cost of health care 40% and raising the average cost of health insurance 25% for anyone who makes more than minimum wage, seems like a big price to pay for just a few small improvements, the only thing I can see is because there's a 3 to 1 limit on costs rising by the industry, they had to just up the bar for everyone. Which is no limits at all, when you think about it.
One good thing to come out of this legislation is how much richer we're going to make insurance companies.
isn't that worth another 10% of your paycheck? Of course it is.
personally, I believe the republicans are wrong to shut down the government over this issue, because people can vote out the president in a couple of years, the entire Congress in a few years, and if this legislation is as dire as everyone says it is then we'd be hard pressed not to hold our elected officials responsible and end their reign of stupid at the taxpayer's expense.
let's see how bad the new entitlement makes health care, and the costs associated with, then we can work with real numbers. I understand that the mainstream media will never use real numbers though, as they cherry pick their statistics to serve the sheeple, no shame in their deception at all.
but some of the fallout from the inclusion of the ACA will be tangible, and the population will get a chance to say if insuring 15 million people who couldn't afford it before, was worth a 25% increase across the board for everyone else's sniffles and wheezes.
I don't know about other people but raising the average cost of health care 40% and raising the average cost of health insurance 25% for anyone who makes more than minimum wage, seems like a big price to pay for just a few small improvements, the only thing I can see is because there's a 3 to 1 limit on costs rising by the industry, they had to just up the bar for everyone. Which is no limits at all, when you think about it.
One good thing to come out of this legislation is how much richer we're going to make insurance companies.
isn't that worth another 10% of your paycheck? Of course it is.
Re: gubment shuts down and Obamacare opens up
If you still think this is Dems vs. Republicans, you are myopic on this one.
Here's some problems that will need resolution:
The Affordable Healthcare Choices Act is unconstitutional, when read cover to cover (which NO lawmaker has done yet). This renders the Bill DOA, as far as being Constitutional and therefore fit for legislation. It is not even worth challenging that it isn't Constitutional, it is a Bill designed to transfer power directly to the Executive Branch.
"The irony is that the Congress doesn't have any authority to legislate in most of those areas to begin with! I defy anyone to read the text of the U.S. Constitution and find any authority granted to the members of Congress to regulate health care." - Michael Connelly Retired attorney, Constitutional Law Instructor Carrollton , Texas
Here, read this,
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/842
50 USC § 842 - Proscription of Communist Party, its successors, and subsidiary organizations
The Communist Party of the United States, or any successors of such party regardless of the assumed name, whose object or purpose is to overthrow the Government of the United States, or the government of any State, Territory, District, or possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein by force and violence, are not entitled to any of the rights, privileges, and immunities attendant upon legal bodies created under the jurisdiction of the laws of the United States or any political subdivision thereof; and whatever rights, privileges, and immunities which have heretofore been granted to said party or any subsidiary organization by reason of the laws of the United States or any political subdivision thereof, are terminated: Provided, however, That nothing in this section shall be construed as amending the Internal Security Act of 1950, as amended [50 U.S.C. 781 et seq.]
So basically, if Obama tries to push this legislation through and goes to extremes to get it, he and his cohorts can be removed, period. Especially so if he goes for this one http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/212
50 USC § 212 - Confiscation of property employed to aid insurrection
Whenever during any insurrection against the Government of the United States, after the President shall have declared by proclamation that the laws of the United States are opposed, and the execution thereof obstructed, by combinations too powerful to be suppressed by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, or by the power vested in the marshals by law, any person, or his agent, attorney, or employee, purchases or acquires, sells or gives, any property of whatsoever kind or description, with intent to use or employ the same, or suffers the same to be used or employed in aiding, abetting, or promoting such insurrection or resistance to the laws, or any person engaged therein; or being the owner of any such property, knowingly uses or employs, or consents to such use or employment of the same, all such property shall be lawful subject of prize and capture wherever found; and it shall be the duty of the President to cause the same to be seized, confiscated, and condemned.
So what will happen?
Basically the way I see it, if Obama goes for an open Martial Law, he'll be on the hook. If he tries to push this any further, he'll be on the hook. And if he stays the course, he'll be on the hook. He's fucked, basically.
If you still think this is Dems vs. Republicans, you are myopic on this one.
Here's some problems that will need resolution:
The Affordable Healthcare Choices Act is unconstitutional, when read cover to cover (which NO lawmaker has done yet). This renders the Bill DOA, as far as being Constitutional and therefore fit for legislation. It is not even worth challenging that it isn't Constitutional, it is a Bill designed to transfer power directly to the Executive Branch.
"The irony is that the Congress doesn't have any authority to legislate in most of those areas to begin with! I defy anyone to read the text of the U.S. Constitution and find any authority granted to the members of Congress to regulate health care." - Michael Connelly Retired attorney, Constitutional Law Instructor Carrollton , Texas
Here, read this,
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/842
50 USC § 842 - Proscription of Communist Party, its successors, and subsidiary organizations
The Communist Party of the United States, or any successors of such party regardless of the assumed name, whose object or purpose is to overthrow the Government of the United States, or the government of any State, Territory, District, or possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein by force and violence, are not entitled to any of the rights, privileges, and immunities attendant upon legal bodies created under the jurisdiction of the laws of the United States or any political subdivision thereof; and whatever rights, privileges, and immunities which have heretofore been granted to said party or any subsidiary organization by reason of the laws of the United States or any political subdivision thereof, are terminated: Provided, however, That nothing in this section shall be construed as amending the Internal Security Act of 1950, as amended [50 U.S.C. 781 et seq.]
So basically, if Obama tries to push this legislation through and goes to extremes to get it, he and his cohorts can be removed, period. Especially so if he goes for this one http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/212
50 USC § 212 - Confiscation of property employed to aid insurrection
Whenever during any insurrection against the Government of the United States, after the President shall have declared by proclamation that the laws of the United States are opposed, and the execution thereof obstructed, by combinations too powerful to be suppressed by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, or by the power vested in the marshals by law, any person, or his agent, attorney, or employee, purchases or acquires, sells or gives, any property of whatsoever kind or description, with intent to use or employ the same, or suffers the same to be used or employed in aiding, abetting, or promoting such insurrection or resistance to the laws, or any person engaged therein; or being the owner of any such property, knowingly uses or employs, or consents to such use or employment of the same, all such property shall be lawful subject of prize and capture wherever found; and it shall be the duty of the President to cause the same to be seized, confiscated, and condemned.
So what will happen?
Basically the way I see it, if Obama goes for an open Martial Law, he'll be on the hook. If he tries to push this any further, he'll be on the hook. And if he stays the course, he'll be on the hook. He's fucked, basically.
Re: gubment shuts down and Obamacare opens up
They better not mess with my gubment cheese or I'll defect!
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They better not mess with my gubment cheese or I'll defect!
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Re: gubment shuts down and Obamacare opens up
http://wgntv.com/2013/10/12/link-cards-down-in-illinois/
You may all now refer to me as Nostradamus, called it out in advance! I shall now declare the end is nigh!
http://wgntv.com/2013/10/12/link-cards-down-in-illinois/
You may all now refer to me as Nostradamus, called it out in advance! I shall now declare the end is nigh!